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womenlovefest.For the last day, I thought I'd focus on things I wish had happened to her. So, here are 7 storylines I wish we had seen, but didn't:
NR. 01
I wish Vanessa had become friends with Serena. They started to go in that direction during Seventeen Candles and Roman Holiday, but then pretty much dropped that storyline.
I think S1 Serena and Vanessa would have had a nice easy going dynamic, plus, Vanessa would have had to rethink some of her prejudices about the UESiders (since Serena was the most open/non-judgmental UES at the time).
Also, it would have integrated Vanessa more, Dan wouldn't have been her "only" friend, and the only person she could interact or have a storyline with.
NR. 02
I wish Nate/Vanessa had gotten more built up. Not necessarily before their hook-up, because I really liked that that was so casually and unexpected, but after. (Is built after a word?) The whole SAT thing was cute, but I wanted to see them get to know each other.
NR. 03
Ruby. Vanessa's older sister who plays in a lesbian punk band. They mentioned her a bunch of times (Vanessa telling Nate about her, Dan borrowing her Van etc.), but it would have been really cool to met her.
It would have given Vanessa more back-story, and she sounds like an interesting character.
NR. 04
I think it sucked that their friendship was destroyed during S2, and that they never really repaired it. We never met Vanessa's other friends (except for Willa), and Jenny didn't even have any (girl) friends during S3.
Vanessa seemed almost like a big sister to Jenny (sneaking her into parties, helping her with home-schooling etc.), so it sucked that she wasn't around to help Jenny during her S3 drama. (Serena & Nate being all worried about Damien instead of Dan & Vanessa, REALLY SHOW?)
Plus, Jenny's whole S3 storyline was about her appearance/ fitting in, so it would have been interesting to see Vanessa's reaction to that, since she's probably the character least concerned with that stuff.
NR. 05
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NR. 06
The NYU-speech episode was painful to watch, but the end was quite promising. I wish we had gotten some Blair/Vanessa interaction after that, since they were college friends (and roommates?) in the books. And again, it would have integrated Vanessa more, and given both, her and Blair, something to do besides being Suck and Dan's girlfriends.
NR. 07
I thought it was nice that they wanted to introduce Vanessa's parents, but the whole storyline and her mom were so over the top IDEK. The show has a problem with showing, instead of telling, I know, but could they have tried any harder to show how self-centered her mom was? It made her mom look like a caricature and that stopped most people from sympathizing with Vanessa.
September 18 2011, 15:07:51 UTC 8 months ago
September 18 2011, 15:45:31 UTC 8 months ago
(But at least they can't ruin it this way, and I can keep pretending they were cute and coupley all over Europe./delusional)
October 20 2011, 21:43:50 UTC 6 months ago
V is my number one right behind Blair and it still pisses me off with how she was treated last year during that whole dumb Juliet arc when Juliet should have been in jail sharing a cell with her cousin or brother. I really think V was misued when they could have did something greater for her. As for the book plot I actually cheered her on when dan dicked her around throughout their whole relationship then proceeded to treat her badly in favor of Serena.
I wanted Blair/Vanessa or Serena/Vanessa to become friends also or just have a Blair, Vanessa, Serena mash up. I think they were so intriguing around each other especially Vanessa/Blair.
October 20 2011, 23:29:47 UTC 6 months ago
WORD on the Juliet bullshit. How that bitch didn't get in jail...ugh. I just can't even...
BSV! I WANT IT SO BADLY! Think about the fun times of the three of them drunk and giddy and bad mouthing the boys. PERFECTION! *sobs* Wasted potential!
October 21 2011, 03:50:23 UTC 6 months ago
BSV would have been gold and it could have been our version of Peyton/Brooke/Haley you know just more awesome and richer with limos, drunk boys. I really wanted Blair/Vanessa for some odd reason.
ugh the Juliet storyline, I just can't either. The whole thing makes me want to recruit Dean Winchester and salt n burn her ashes all over again. [for example when she played Ruby in supernatural, season 3.]
October 21 2011, 11:15:22 UTC 6 months ago
Yeah, the Vanessa-hate has always baffled me, because she is just used as a plot-device most of the time.
I get not caring about her a lot, but the amount of hate just makes no sense to me.
The fallout from the Juliet arc was so WTF. The built up was great (probably the only storyline during the first part of the season that made any sense), but the aftermath was just ridiculous.
Ben turning into the misunderstood good guy, really show? He was the one who blackmailed Juliet, assaulted the captain etc. (What Lily did to him was wrong, but that doesn't make anything he did right.)
Dan/Vanessa was such a mess, I can't even tbh
October 22 2011, 06:32:32 UTC 6 months ago
Thank you. Personally, if I were Dan and Blair I would have showed up in Connecticut with the police and a matching pair of handcuffs for Damien, Serena's dad, Juliet, Ben and her weird ass brother. I wouldn't care about how much pleading her mother did Juliet single handly drugged Serena, gotten her kicked out of school though S had a hand in part of this but anyway almost put her in danger and Jenny/Vanessa also could have faced serious consequences even though they were manipulated and led along like little sheep.
I usually hate Serena but Juliet + Ben made her look like a bigger moron than her attempting to sleep with Ben at boarding school, at least she owned her sluttiness and actions back then. Ben would have stayed in jail and even if he did get out I wouldn't talk to him at all. Shouldn't Lily be a little bit resentful of her daughter even if she was behind Ben's jail time the first go round considering what Serena did later?
The real question is where is Sam or Dean Winchester at to hunt Juliet? my god! even thinking about that storyline just pisses me off though most of season 3 and 4 made me angry, while last year I was uncomfortable and divorced a whole ship because of it. I can only ship season 1 CB or in fannon these days or by the numbers.
This. I don't think I ever shipped them. I always thought Vanessa was at her best with Nate. I hated the way they gotten together after Hilary Duff left. The 3 some thing just did a disservice to her and then Dan was like oh yeah now I like you until S came back around. ugh!
Unpopular op: I did enjoy the Chuck/Vanessa friendship/hookup in season 2. I always wanted Blair/Vanessa/Chuck to be friends because Dan and Vanessa were really interesting when they had scenes with the UES kids with their different dynamics and backgrounds, how similar all of them were.
October 22 2011, 16:19:42 UTC 6 months ago
I don't think Serena not being more upset with Juliet makes that much sense, considering what she knows, it makes more sense for the audience, because what we know about the Juliet/Ben dynamic. But Serena was pretty much over Georgina drugging her and setting her up with that whole video thing, when S3 came around, so I wasn't too surprised.
It's not like they ever wrote her character realistically reacting to anything (Pete's death, Chuck's assault, etc.)
I'm not sure what you mean with "considering what Serena did later"?
I really liked Vanessa/Nate. They were always in the background, but maybe that saved them from getting destroyed by drama?
I can't ship Chuck with anyone anymore, but I liked him and Vanessa during S2, primary, because she was the only girl who didn't fall for "the great Chuck Bass" and stayed true to herself/ what she wanted. One of the things that bothered me the most about early CB, was how they adjusted/changed her character to fit his.
October 22 2011, 19:06:00 UTC 6 months ago
I was referring to Ben but re-reading my statement makes no sense. Serena eventually forgave Ben and went out with him again and painted as the good guy but that was the writers faults.
I loved NV. I remember a time in season 1 and parts of season 2 when their used to be zero NV followers but maybe 3 or 4 fans on the GG boards. They were adorable and complimented each other well. I liked them because they had fun, relaxed like 2 teens should.
Yes! with Vanessa she was always consistent with any guy Nate, Chuck, Dan etc. One thing I loved about her she was never super demanding with how her guys should act or her adjusting her behavior. I liked Chuck/Vanessa also and wished they would have connected more or just syaed friendly at least. I am not shipping Chuck with anyone either these days [I go back and fourth with cannon Chuck. I almost say something nice about him then he irritates me just ask Artemis, one character where our opinions don't mash up. She still fangirls C and I just don't] and one of the things I miss about early season 1 is that Blair didn't put up with shit from anyone Chuck, Serena, her mother. Don't get me wrong I liked early CB too but sometimes I think Josh and co made her too interchangeable to Chuck and Nate at times. Blair is bitchy, vunerable, insecure on inside and ballsy, determined, cold on the outside. I wish they would have let her stay this way for a while longer when it came to men at least and not just with people who she perceived as threats. In the early days CB didn't seem so forced then. I am not saying they are now but the writers went to far to show us how similar and self destructive they are and can be towards themselves and each other. CB has things in commom but underneath they are 2 very different people and this is from a ex shippers pov.
I still think that pre strike Blair from season 1 would have outbitched seasons 2-5 versions of herself on prinicpal alone. I do agree with Artemis when she said in one of her post it isn't about CB as a couple now but rooting for the potential that could have been if the show chose a different route for them from the start.
October 23 2011, 13:57:08 UTC 6 months ago
Oh, okay, it kind of confused me. =)
NV was probably the ONLY couple on the show that came close to being a realistic portrayal of a teenage relationship EVER.
I'm never sure if everything got ruined by making Blair suddenly in love with Chuck between 1.18. and 2.01. or already after the strike.
CB has things in common but underneath they are 2 very different people
I wish more people would get this.
The way I see it, they may appear to enjoy the same things, but the have completely different goals and motivations.
Like the reason for their scheming. We've seen Chuck enjoy it for the sake of it countless times, but for Blair it seems to be a coping mechanism for her insecurities and control issues.
Plus, the things Blair enjoys, not just her intellectual side, but also what she wants out of a relationship don't seem very compatible with Chuck's interests.
I can understand liking what could've been, it's a little how I feel about Nate/Serena sometimes.
I guess I was just not invested in CB at all, the bad-boy-changes-for-good-girl-through-lo
October 23 2011, 21:56:33 UTC 6 months ago
I haven't shipped CB since early season 3 tbh and I haven't read fic or anything. CB fans still make a big a deal over their scenes and I don't and I used to super ship them with Dan/Blair. unpop op: I don't want Blair with either Chuck or Dan cannon wise but if I had a choose a few years from now when the baby situation is straightened out I go for Dan even if I have a love/hate fest for him right now, don't let Atremis read this. LOL! After the hotel fiasco and then Dorota's wedding episode I divorced CB and hasn't viewed them the same + with a couple like them they will eventually self destruct and implode with the games, lies, gossip etc. When the show first started Dan, Serena and Nate intrigued me also since they were the quieter characters. I didn't know whether to love or hate Blair. I liked V when she first came on and same with Jenny until season 2.
I liked CB embarrasingly so and they really were rushed in season 1. I think the writers captilized on them so quickiy and then it became too much to soon. I would have loved to see CB depicted like NV tbh just giggling having fun even if it is them doing something stupid. I have grown tired of the angst after 5 seasons, I think it was well done in season 2 fine will they/won't they but it is clear that they can never be friends or communicate properly with Chuck giving B these looks like I secretly blame you for everything while she is clearly thinking I love you but you hurt me over and over again. :/
October 27 2011, 12:00:30 UTC 6 months ago
If he had stayed a side character, like the rich jerk with funny lines that shows that he is actually human from time to time, why not?
But making him the male lead damaged the other characters a well. The focus shifted from Blair & Serena to Chuck (& Blair), now no one is allowed to call him out on stuff, which makes Serena (for calling him Blair's prince after he tried to rape her) and Nate (for not doing anything in 4.20. or 3.19.(?)) look like selfish idiots.
Yeah, CB in S2 were nothing like CB in S1, Chuck's character went from creepy but entertaining to boring 40-year old business guy.
I remember Chuck telling Carter to "go jump in a volcano", can you imagine current Chuck saying something like that?
IDK, I think a part of the reason why they dragged that will they/won't they thing out for a season, was that they had no idea what to do with them as a couple. And their S2 journey was already so one-sided that it just made me angry. I just think the hints were there already, though I would've never thought they'd take this so far.
October 27 2011, 17:44:20 UTC 6 months ago
LOL! He was worse in early season 3. I blame the writing Josh and co could neevr get a handle on his own characters. I feel like this show takes themselves to seriously in a way The OC or One Tree Hill never did they were still teens. I never read the books and heard they bad but I wish they followed them a bit more and make either Chuck or Dan gay-bi with Eric that would have been gold though. I would take gay!Chuck than our current version. Right now I am wondering why people even put up with his shit sad panda or not, I am also wondering how no one has divorced him from their lives completely.
Me either. I liked season 2 CB well parts of it but it made me angry when Blair did all the ground work as usual then Chuck ignored her all the time [I am still pissed about what happened in episode 3.05-07 when he gotten mad when a scheme went wrong, then told her you don't love me. B should have dumped his ass and chewed out Chuck/Serena.] until mid season 2 right before Bart died, her and Nate happened together until he was ready basically torturing her. I think I read alot of fic to keep my sanity in check. LOL! I just wanted him to either nut up or leave her alone for good.
I thought after the rooftop incident that would have been his reality check and this proceeded to hang on to her tightly or something like this instead of running away to get STDs again.
October 27 2011, 20:12:36 UTC 6 months ago Edited: October 27 2011, 20:13:34 UTC
I hate it when teen-shows go all ~soulmates, ~love of our lives and ~epic with their couples. No teenager I know talks/acts like that in a relationship. It's just weird.
Most people don't end up with their high school sweethearts or find their true love (if something like "one" true love even exists) when they are 18. That's why ~endgame seems so ridiculous to me as well.
I read one or two of the books, but only after I watched the series, and yes, I thought they were bad. When I watch the show, I can at least imagine that those characters have some deeper thoughts/motives, but in the books you get to read their thoughts and can't avoid how shallow all of them are. (Not sure how much of that was the German translation thought.) They are probably more fun though.
October 27 2011, 21:20:07 UTC 6 months ago
This! I hated this in Dawson's Creek also but with that show the characters gotten together later after college, careers so I understood their endings. But with Gossip Girl it makes no sense and I loved Gilmore girls had Rory single when she graduated from college instead of ending up with Logan.
You know I hear you about fan hate. I remember Chuck stans hating Blair during early season 3 because of that mini fallout CB had. It wouldn't look bad to me if everyone was hating Chuck right now and distancing themselves Lily included but this show has never been realistic with the teens. Speaking of realism wouldn't Lily know what happened between Chuck/Jenny in the pilot since he taken her viriginity? I know Dan didn't say anything but secrets has a way of coming out though.
I never read the books but I hear they are cracky as hell. I read 2 chapters in a random book store once and they are shallow. On the tv show the characters are real, have actual thoughts and opinions. In the book they are more fun definitly; I think their lifestyle really shows in the book also and a bit more unrestrained.
In the 90s I grew up with the sweet valley high series. Those books were great and awful at the same time. LOL! The plots in those books would put the Gossip Girl series + Pretty Little Liars books to shame.
October 28 2011, 10:45:36 UTC 6 months ago
I remember it, because Eric got so much hate for it from a lot of CB fans on fanpop/failforum.
I think the show should have stayed away from serious issues (like date-rape and roofies) and focused more on the scandalous parties/lifestyle from the books. S1 wasn't so bad, but now all these kids do is brunch, galas and parties with their parents. For practically having endless resources/no boundaries they are all so...lame.
October 23 2011, 21:57:12 UTC 6 months ago
CB were at their best right before Nate/Blair reunited at the deb ball in season playful, sexing each other, friendly. yes! CB shippers will shoot me but I think between season 1 and early season 2 they confused lust for love sometimes. I can get the whole feelings happening later from mid to the end of season 2 since it was allies with benefits and just escalated into something else. For me it wasn't about the bad boy/good girl love trope well I never took it as this. I always saw too emotionally damaged rich kids who liked/lusted each other. I thought they both came from messed up backgrounds, absent parents, acting out for attention things like that etc but that is on the surface. They are so different it isn't even funny.
I haven't read any GG spoilers and from your reaction it doesn't sound too great for the rest of the year. yeesh! I bet S is gonna have another random relationship ew! :) I loved NV they were awesome. She was the one girl I could see ending up with eventually if played right. I always figured Serena was too flighty for him and N had a bit more feelings for the blonde than she did.
Thank You. With Blair she also schemes sometimes to help people she loves and A++ for recognizing her control issues. The girl is recovering from a food disorder. I always figured with B it was so much chaos in her life with her dad leaving, her mother hardly around, Nate and all her other friends ignoring her and her weight was the one thing she could control, Chuck was there but it was vaguely mentioned at best. I wish this was handled in season 2 when Chuck kept running away after his dad died I could her reverting back to this behavior or everytime her problems started spinning out of control like Jenny self destructs by going to far to be that girl or fit in. It seemed like they were headed in that direction but I digress. This girl has control issues like no other tv teen character I have ever seen. Even though GG has half assed the bulemia/weight plot which is a big thing with her from the books even now I see her trying to control the chaos with lies and false truths like in season 1 with Nate/Chuck and now with Louie/Chuck in season 5.
October 27 2011, 12:18:20 UTC 6 months ago
I don't want to spoil you, so let's just say I wish the show would separate the characters career and love storylines for once.
I ship Nate with almost everyone, but yeah, Serena would've to get her priorities straight before I'd want them again.
Yeah, I feel like Blair's control issues are a big part of her character, but where mostly dropped so the show could focus on Chuck and his issues in S2 and 3. Maybe we'll see her loosing it,
ifwhen the whole Louis-baby thing blows up in her face. IDKIDK if Chuck and Blair were friends before they hooked up. I know most of the fandom has this picture of the NJBC growing up together, but I always felt like it was more Blair/Serena+Nate, and Chuck just tagged along sometimes because he was Nate's bff? Since 1.03. was the first time he saw B's room etc. I don't know for sure though, it was just my impression?
Yeah that scene where she told Louis to trust her or let her go, reminded me of NB a lot. I really, really hope she is not lying to Louis about the paternity, because I have no idea how that could turn out anyway that isn't horrible.
/sorry for the late reply
October 27 2011, 17:20:40 UTC 6 months ago
I agree. Blair hasn't opened the letter but she has to have some idea oof who the dad is. It is gonna be awful again for everyone involved.
October 27 2011, 20:19:13 UTC 6 months ago
No idea why she would keep it in a drawer that is not locked and Louis has access to though, THAT'S JUST STUPID.
October 27 2011, 21:06:12 UTC 6 months ago
Where is your icon from? The gold tones is goregous.
October 28 2011, 10:35:23 UTC 6 months ago
October 20 2011, 23:27:05 UTC 6 months ago
I wanted BV for SO LONG, and more so then ever after 3x06. But I wanted frenemies. I would have enjoyed SV's friendship. Remember in 3x12 after Dan's ILY, Vanessa ran out to go check on Serena. I wish we had a scene of that!
NV's beginning was WTF at first, but totally made sense! I wish we had gotten to SEE NV during S2 instead of hearing that Nate was with Vanessa. 2x03 is my favorite NV episode. And they were like the ONLY good thing about...2x17? Giggling at the piano while Chuck spazed out (and I hate Rachel).
RUBY! I WANTED RUBY SO FUCKING MUCH! WHY SHOW, WHY?!?!?! *SOBS* And WORD to Gabriela. I also REALLY wanted her to return and fucking KILL Dan after what he did to her daughter. (She promised she would!)
Totally agree about JV. I don't like Jenny. Ever. At all. But I really wanted this friendship. They were totally sisters. And Jenny really did not have any girlfriends. They needed each other. So pissed.
October 21 2011, 11:32:47 UTC 6 months ago
Not making Vanessa and Serena friends was just... weird. Or maybe we were supposed to believe they were friends, even though it was never shown? I never know with that show.
The piano scene during 2x17 <3 SO. CUTE.
But Nate freaking out during the play will always be my number one. (And not just because of the art imitating life moment that were Nate's non-existent acting skills.)
Ruby would have been such an amazing addition, and Dan trying to ramble himself out of a Gabriela confrontation would've been fun to watch.
I've always liked Jenny. Though I hated how she acted towards NS, but the S3 final was so cruel on her IDEK(I feel like the writers hate for Taylor influenced how the wrote her in S3, which is a shame).
Jenny/Vanessa was the only healthy friendship between females the show ever had (I like Blair & Serena, but that relationship has never been healthy), destroying it over Nate was just sad.
Thanks so much for all your lovely comments!